tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post5410094224897768407..comments2024-02-05T05:56:50.392-05:00Comments on Insult Swordfighting: The violent hate speech of Shadow ComplexMitch Krpatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15987162934932391765noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-82944938651444736012010-08-26T03:29:17.686-04:002010-08-26T03:29:17.686-04:00I just want to point out that A) The Game Shadow C...I just want to point out that A) The Game Shadow Complex never once connects the story to any kind of homosexuality...San Francisco AND New York are targeted, not because of their high percentage of homosexual residents, but because trhey are home t o a large number of politically active people who are dissatisfied with our government and B) The article you so poignantly linked to using the words "Orson Scott Card is a homophobe" is not exactly what most intelligent people would call "hateful" it is simply a representation of the facts. People who actually care about what the story of Shadow Complex hints at should read "Empire" as it is an excdellent political intrigue novel with no mention of homosexuality whatsoever.<br /><br />Please try to remember that not every political story has a "gay" agenda, and that not everyone who doesn't yell "whoo homosexuals yay" is a homophobe. Also, Shadow Complex is easily one of the best games I've played in a long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-3362469452860041472009-09-01T09:14:00.072-04:002009-09-01T09:14:00.072-04:00I am absolutely disgusted by what you had to say G...I am absolutely disgusted by what you had to say Gary. Your comment is both hurtful and totally unfounded. I would even go as far as saying that you are factually incorrect...<br /><br />Nobody HATES Journey... =DJefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-86350003307769971012009-08-26T11:18:45.582-04:002009-08-26T11:18:45.582-04:00Thanks Mitch. You're observation is astute, f...Thanks Mitch. You're observation is astute, for sure. Thanks for the link, too. I enjoyed that!<br /><br />True, oftentimes people are wolves in sheep's clothing. But my point is only in focusing on our own personal actions in the face of those things we know are wrong, being wary of our own prejudice and pride. How do we live together in times of crisis without making it an "us or them" state of being? Are our actions comprised solely of reactions, never independent of what others do or say?<br /><br />And, more importantly, how do we live in a world where others have already made it an "us or them" state of being without waging our own war? Could you forgive those that you know are fostering ideas that are harmful? Would you become like them, instead? I believe we can all rise above the lies of being married to our opinions and ignorance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-5019227782204416232009-08-26T11:07:01.446-04:002009-08-26T11:07:01.446-04:00I have always wondered if the children of atheists...I have always wondered if the children of atheists would rebel by finding religion. Now I know!Mitch Krpatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987162934932391765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-53290478088875118972009-08-26T11:04:54.461-04:002009-08-26T11:04:54.461-04:00I'm an atheist who has spoken my whole life ag...I'm an atheist who has spoken my whole life against the excesses of religion. My teenage daughter calls herself a Christian despite the culture or lack thereof in our household.<br /><br />I don't hate Christians but I often hate Christianity and other religions that force themselves upon us. I have a history with the church because in my mid-twenties I spent several years as a born-again Christian.<br /><br />Suffice it to say you could call me hateful if you wanted to. You could call a vegetarian who shows distaste for meat eaters hateful, or someone who hates the music of Journey as hateful.<br /><br />I imagine we are all hateful in one way or another, even if we consider ourselves peacemakers.<br /><br />So while Orson Scott Card may or may not be a hater and may or may not deserve to be boycotted, all I know is the game doesn't seem to do anything any worse than any other game I play where I kill endless numbers of enemies.Gary A. Lucerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750491800275704973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-40771187735289833982009-08-26T10:58:47.376-04:002009-08-26T10:58:47.376-04:00This Mr. Show skit sums it up quite well: http://w...This Mr. Show skit sums it up quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4txN1ut20<br /><br />It's semantic sleight-of-hand to say that what OSC seems to believe, and be working for, isn't hateful because he doesn't swear or raise his voice. Somebody whose words and deeds are aimed at disenfranchising an entire class of people would be objectively hateful in my book. The quote that you cite is just another in the long line of arguments that if they'd just stay in their place -- "they" being whatever group is suffering discrimination -- everything would be just peachy for the rest of us. <br /><br />In other words, like the New KKK spokesman says in the skit, "I don't hate anybody. Don't have to <em>love</em> everybody!"Mitch Krpatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987162934932391765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-56175969054815156292009-08-26T10:46:07.296-04:002009-08-26T10:46:07.296-04:00I am curious of what you all think about what it m...I am curious of what you all think about what it means to label something as "hate speech". As an Independent, I feel isolated from the liberal side of things when words like "hate" are used to demonize enemies for political or ideological reasons as opposed to the being open-minded. From what I've read, OSC is not hateful, just presenting his beliefs. I don't agree with them, but I'm not going to paint him with the denigrating term "hate-monger". I find that calling someone a "bloody twat" (as a post above said of OSC)is much more hateful than questioning a certain line of logic concerning homosexuality and providing your own views, however flawed. <br /><br />Also, from the article that the link goes to, OSC writes that "They have never directly harmed me, nor I them. Many have helped me in my life -- and I them. We get along just fine."<br /><br />Is that hate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-2594329078623466082009-08-21T17:08:00.118-04:002009-08-21T17:08:00.118-04:00This is the first I'd heard of Card's poli...This is the first I'd heard of Card's politics. It makes me very sad indeed that the man behind the original insult swordfighting is a bloody twat.<br /><br />Still going to play Shadow Complex though. Because fun is fun.Mr Durand Pierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14942907377044744031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-68827472139429298322009-08-20T18:28:51.685-04:002009-08-20T18:28:51.685-04:00"The actual plot goes something like this:
...<i>"The actual plot goes something like this:<br /><br /> -Boy loses girl<br /> -Boy rescues girl, but<br /> -Boy finds true love with high-tech armor and weaponry<br /><br />Which is basically the same as every other video game ever made."</i><br /><br />HaaaaaKirkhttp://murfinsandburglars.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-4042919698727295182009-08-20T11:57:55.394-04:002009-08-20T11:57:55.394-04:00Mitch, while I agree with you, and I would persona...Mitch, while I agree with you, and I would personally avoid art by white supremisists, for example, or by someone who hates Jews, it would have to be overt for me to react.<br /><br />For example,,I have been listening to Neil Young's music for 35 years, through hippiness, pro-Ronald Reagan years, and lots of other weirdness, but the music is too good to worry about what is going on in his head!Gary A. Lucerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750491800275704973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-72224733026906297292009-08-20T11:49:36.591-04:002009-08-20T11:49:36.591-04:00L.B., that's a good point. I guess that's ...L.B., that's a good point. I guess that's why any licensing deals happen.<br /><br />Gary, I agree. I try to take stuff at face value. If there were something objectionable in the game, I'd say so (obviously), but I didn't find that to be the case. That said, I'm sympathetic to people who don't wish to support Card's endeavors. And I think it's always helpful to be able to have conversations about what our cultural values are, since art so often holds up a mirror to them.Mitch Krpatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987162934932391765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-15834658440697956502009-08-20T11:42:23.666-04:002009-08-20T11:42:23.666-04:00Are we sure that every developer we do give money ...Are we sure that every developer we do give money to supports "our" causes? <br /><br />I tell my daughter to try to ignore an artist's life because you will often be disappointed by who they really are. Enjoy the art! <br /><br />Hey, maybe they support the drug cartel because they have a nasty habit with snow, or maybe they support the NRA and you don't. <br /><br />There are too many people sure of what's right and wrong in the world and I try my best to ignore them.Gary A. Lucerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750491800275704973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8074451.post-10548555577653863742009-08-20T11:13:31.710-04:002009-08-20T11:13:31.710-04:00I honestly couldn't understand why they even b...I honestly couldn't understand why they even bothered connecting themselves to the books. The game's plot was basically, "Dude, they punched your girlfriend". The only moments of commentary on politics are just your generic "We want them to think we're liberators" type stuff. They might as well have just changed all the names and saved the licensing money.Kirk Battlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16612840105075834275noreply@blogger.com